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  "ah yes Dad, do you mean those times when Jehovah made those mistakes and errors?"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so...while chatting with my ultra "spiritual elder" father on the phone this afternoon, i couldn't resist using that line!.

  i had sent him that video of the recent convention showing brothers and sisters dancing to the "kingdom song" and waving their illuminated phones and arms in the air like some sort of revival church concert.

  (perhaps someone can post that link to that thread again here?).

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  You must understand that Jehovah is going thru a learning curve -- wink, wink.
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  JW's on my front sidewalk

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so last weekend, the jw's ring the bell and my wife answers.

  we live in a heavily spanish neighborhood but don't really speak spanish.

  i thought my wife was quite clear that she is a "sister" to them, but maybe the one in charge of the group didn't get the message.

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  FatFreek 2005

  OTWO -- great anti-witness.
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  Strange

  by Jrjw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a couple of times at the meetings this year we've been told that in the future we might get some strange directions from the society that might not make any sense to us.

  then they've said will we show our loyalty to jehovah by still obeying?

  seems a rather unusual thing to say.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Should we have our empty glasses ready?
  
  
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  Daughter gets fondled -- mother's loving strategy takes back seat

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  nightmare on elm street.

  mother to elder: tiffany, my daughter, shocked me last night.

  she told me she was fondled by our hispanic neighbor after she babysat for their children.. elder: that is terrible to hear, sister.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Nightmare on Elm Street

  Mother to elder: Tiffany, my daughter, shocked me last night. She told me she was fondled by our Hispanic neighbor after she babysat for their children.

  Elder: that is terrible to hear, sister. How is she doing? Have you been able to comfort her?

  Mother: Thanks for asking. I think I’m going to take her to one of those agencies that offer emotional assistance. I also think that I need to let the police know about it in case they want to investigate.

  Elder: It sounds like you’ve got your daughter’s best interest at heart. Let me know how that all works out. By the way, I know your distant neighborhood fairly well – is the perpetrator someone I may know? We elders may want to alert the congregation as to his house number just in case we happen to do field service around those homes. We’d do that as a matter of precaution – you can understand that, can’t you, sister?

  Mother: Oh, yes, I certainly can understand. And, yes, you may know that perpetrator since he tends the microphones in that nearby Spanish congregation.

  Elder: Wait, sister. I was under the impression that the man is a worldly person and not one of our own. First of all, were there any witnesses to this dastardly act?

  Mother: Well, no. His wife and children had all gone upstairs to bed and he did this bad thing in their hallway as she was leaving his home. But I’m now a bit puzzled. Till you learned he is a JW, you seemed okay with my strategy to get my daughter some help and reporting him to the police. Exactly how does the fact that he carries a microphone change my daughter’s need for assistance?

  Elder: You really need to take hold of your emotions, sister. Anger won’t help this situation and besides, we first need to think about Jehovah and His organization, and how his supreme name could be soiled if one of his people gets accused of alleged wrongdoing. The first thing we need to do is …..

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  Okay, I concede this was just a nightmare I had recently. But the more I think about it, the more I suspect that it’s probably already happened – somewhere, and more than a few times.
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  "Armageddon is already here"; "the preaching work is done" -- rogue teachings in your congregation?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of my jw sons seems to be putting pressure on his non-jw brother apparently to scare him into accepting the troof and start coming to meetings.

  wild statements like our topic title, which i know are not supported at jw dot org, have been made to my non-jw son several times over the past year or so.

  while i haven't been privy to the actual phone conversations i tend to believe that the jw son is being pressured by the local elders to cut ties with the non-jw since their conversations seem to degrade into arguments -- therefore tending to weaken the jws faith in wt teachings.. either my jw son is lying about what i would call rogue teachings (and this would disappoint me greatly) or he is in some close knit clique in his congregation which has secretly chosen to go rogue on certain wt issues.. based on many of the recent posts here about drastic money and wt organization problems this could be a sign of pending splits of certain congregation members.. what do you think?

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  The following is related and may be of interest. It is a snippet from some elder's resignation letter, a letter he wrote to the governing body in 2008.

  "And it was that thought that prompted me to take a closer look at the doctrine. I was horrified. Even a cursory examination of WT doctrine shows it to be terribly flawed. It is a patchwork of illogical, conflicting statements all aimed at proving the world's end to be "at hand." Nothing holds, no statement can be taken at face value, for it soon changes. To give an example: Recently a James Rayford made the comment at an SAD [Special Assembly Day]that the prophecy of Matthew 24:14 has been fulfilled. But this claim had been made eleven years earlier in 1995! (w95 9/1 p. 18 Christian Witnesses for Divine Sovereignty. ["Looking forward especially to our time, Jesus said: "This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14; Mark 13:10) Has this prophecy been fulfilled? Indeed, it has."]) So what has changed? Were you wrong in '95? If so, how do you know that you are right now? Can you tell us? . . . "

  Fatfreek 2005 note: Above text within square brackets [ ] has been added to clarify context.
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  "Armageddon is already here"; "the preaching work is done" -- rogue teachings in your congregation?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of my jw sons seems to be putting pressure on his non-jw brother apparently to scare him into accepting the troof and start coming to meetings.

  wild statements like our topic title, which i know are not supported at jw dot org, have been made to my non-jw son several times over the past year or so.

  while i haven't been privy to the actual phone conversations i tend to believe that the jw son is being pressured by the local elders to cut ties with the non-jw since their conversations seem to degrade into arguments -- therefore tending to weaken the jws faith in wt teachings.. either my jw son is lying about what i would call rogue teachings (and this would disappoint me greatly) or he is in some close knit clique in his congregation which has secretly chosen to go rogue on certain wt issues.. based on many of the recent posts here about drastic money and wt organization problems this could be a sign of pending splits of certain congregation members.. what do you think?

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  FatFreek 2005

  Some ten years ago that Rayford talk, a Special Assembly Day main discourse, was referenced on this forum. Some person back then even took the time and effort to transcribe the key part of it and I will paste that here. Firstly, here's the link.

  I’m going to put these notes down here for a minute and just say something to you.
  
  "I’d like for you to listen to this very carefully…
  
  For those of us at Bethel we have the privilege of working with the faithful and discreet slave - the governing body - and I would like for you to know how the governing body - the faithful slave - feels about the way things are right now in this system of things, the time period in which you are living.
  
  

  The faithful slave feels that that have fulfilled Matthew 24:14. This good news has been preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness.

  
  What does the next part of that text say, after?
  
  (a couple of people mutter in the audience)
  
  Yes. The end will come.
  
  Do you know that there are only three countries in the entire world where there are no Witnesses today?
  
  Only three countries. They are Somalia, North Korea, and Afghanistan. That doesn’t mean that the literature is not in those countries, there’s no Witnesses there.
  
  And I mentioned this yesterday to some of the friends, and they wanted to know why, and I will tell you why.
  
  Jehovah does not send his people to any environment where they will be killed.
  
  That’s why there’s no Witnesses there. Those two (sic) countries bear community responsibility. But the good news of the kingdom has been preached.
  Matthew 24. Luke 21. Mark 13. Revelation 6. Those scriptures are having their fulfillment. They’re being fulfilled.
  
  So where are you in the stream of bible prophecy?
  
  What is the next prophecy to be fulfilled - the next one?
  
  Do you know?
  
  (silence)
  
  I’m going to read it to you. Turn to Revelation. Revelation 17. Verses 15 through 17.
  
  And he says to me, the waters you saw where the Harlot is sitting means people and crowds and nations and tongues. The ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked and will eat up her fleshly parts and will completely burn her with fire, for God put it into their hearts to carry out His thoughts - or His thought, even to carry out their one thought - by giving their kingdom to the wild beast until the words of God will have been accomplished.
  
  The words of God will have been accomplished.
  
  The anointed - the faithful slave - is waiting for God with this one thought in their hearts.
  
  That’s the next bible prophecy to be fulfilled. For those who know what that means, that triggers the Great Tribulation.
  
  Once that starts, all of you will be locked into where you are now.
  
  Whatever you’ve done, you’ve done. There won’t be any more “well, you know I could have, I thought of, that I might do this, if I had the time.”
  
  This is the time.
  
  What will you going to, what will you do about the time in which you, we, are living?
  
  Be at it urge..urgently. Be quick about it.
  
  The time left is reduced."
  
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  "Armageddon is already here"; "the preaching work is done" -- rogue teachings in your congregation?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of my jw sons seems to be putting pressure on his non-jw brother apparently to scare him into accepting the troof and start coming to meetings.

  wild statements like our topic title, which i know are not supported at jw dot org, have been made to my non-jw son several times over the past year or so.

  while i haven't been privy to the actual phone conversations i tend to believe that the jw son is being pressured by the local elders to cut ties with the non-jw since their conversations seem to degrade into arguments -- therefore tending to weaken the jws faith in wt teachings.. either my jw son is lying about what i would call rogue teachings (and this would disappoint me greatly) or he is in some close knit clique in his congregation which has secretly chosen to go rogue on certain wt issues.. based on many of the recent posts here about drastic money and wt organization problems this could be a sign of pending splits of certain congregation members.. what do you think?

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  Listening to that rogue audio reminds me of a 1968 talk given by Charles Sinutko. Sinutko (CO, DO, or Branch rep?) gave a talk entitled "Serving with Everlasting Life in View", also known as "Stay Alive Until 75".
  

  Here is the link to that audio. If you listen to the first 9 minutes (of 23:35 minutes) you will understand how strongly Watchtower and its podium representatives implied that 1975 was likely (though not definitely) going to conclude this system of things. Listen to his audio crescendo as he made his dire proclamations.
  
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  "Armageddon is already here"; "the preaching work is done" -- rogue teachings in your congregation?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of my jw sons seems to be putting pressure on his non-jw brother apparently to scare him into accepting the troof and start coming to meetings.

  wild statements like our topic title, which i know are not supported at jw dot org, have been made to my non-jw son several times over the past year or so.

  while i haven't been privy to the actual phone conversations i tend to believe that the jw son is being pressured by the local elders to cut ties with the non-jw since their conversations seem to degrade into arguments -- therefore tending to weaken the jws faith in wt teachings.. either my jw son is lying about what i would call rogue teachings (and this would disappoint me greatly) or he is in some close knit clique in his congregation which has secretly chosen to go rogue on certain wt issues.. based on many of the recent posts here about drastic money and wt organization problems this could be a sign of pending splits of certain congregation members.. what do you think?

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  FatFreek 2005

  Thanks, Diogenesister for posting that Kim and Mikey video. That appears to be exactly how Jehovah's Witnesses get their radical and rogue information. We common folks call this technique The Grapevine. You cannot source it, you cannot source when it was spoken, you cannot source who said it.

  The GB, the Faithful Slave -- as referenced in this video, assign one of their assistants -- inside men at headquarters to spread some insider information in an oral speech -- information too sensitive to be announced at their annual meeting and too sensitive to be printed in their flagship periodical, The Watchtower. Information that those in the local audience gobble up since he says he is putting his planned notes aside to share some stuff that his bosses, the Faithful Slave, want him to share.

  And yes, the implication within this video is that the preaching work is done.

  Don't try to find that statement or anything even close to that in Watchtower. You won't. Whatever he is spouting is totally deniable two, three, or twenty years down the road. The memories of that gullible audience is fragile. The GB is simply buying more time from those sheeples who are stuffing the contribution boxes, knowing that they won't have to defend those rogue statements any more than bankrupt governments can satisfy promissory notes when payment is demanded.

  I now know where my JW son got his information -- the Watchtower Grapevine!

  And thanks, Kim and Mikey.
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  11-5-17 Warwick Protest Photos

  by thebrokenkite in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  let the reader use discernment:.

  i was disfellowshipped in june of last year.

  while i've been awake for nearly a year, i still often feel groggy.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hey brokenkite -- what a great synopsis. We need more writers with your talent, Please post more as we need fresh -- and talented -- writing.

  And kudos to the protesters. It took much effort just to make the trek.

  Len
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  "Armageddon is already here"; "the preaching work is done" -- rogue teachings in your congregation?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of my jw sons seems to be putting pressure on his non-jw brother apparently to scare him into accepting the troof and start coming to meetings.

  wild statements like our topic title, which i know are not supported at jw dot org, have been made to my non-jw son several times over the past year or so.

  while i haven't been privy to the actual phone conversations i tend to believe that the jw son is being pressured by the local elders to cut ties with the non-jw since their conversations seem to degrade into arguments -- therefore tending to weaken the jws faith in wt teachings.. either my jw son is lying about what i would call rogue teachings (and this would disappoint me greatly) or he is in some close knit clique in his congregation which has secretly chosen to go rogue on certain wt issues.. based on many of the recent posts here about drastic money and wt organization problems this could be a sign of pending splits of certain congregation members.. what do you think?

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  FatFreek 2005

  One of my JW sons seems to be putting pressure on his non-JW brother apparently to scare him into accepting the troof and start coming to meetings. Wild statements like our topic title, which I know are not supported at JW dot ORG, have been made to my non-JW son several times over the past year or so. While I haven't been privy to the actual phone conversations I tend to believe that the JW son is being pressured by the local elders to cut ties with the non-JW since their conversations seem to degrade into arguments -- therefore tending to weaken the JWs faith in WT teachings.

  Either my JW son is lying about what I would call rogue teachings (and this would disappoint me greatly) or he is in some close knit clique in his congregation which has secretly chosen to go rogue on certain WT issues.

  Based on many of the recent posts here about drastic money and WT organization problems this could be a sign of pending splits of certain congregation members.

  What do you think?